Comments on: Save Toby Really is Illegal Extortion http://williamfrantz.com/wp/64 Stuff you can't live without Wed, 01 Sep 2010 16:08:24 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: J. Allen http://williamfrantz.com/wp/64/comment-page-1#comment-28778 J. Allen Thu, 15 Apr 2010 04:20:16 +0000 #comment-28778 <p>Technically, it is extortion if the subject "makes a demand" and such demand is for money or property not otherwise owed, and failure to act results in a behavior meant to intimidate, injure, cause emotional or psychological harm, or other related duress to the person so threatened.</p> <p>So yes, if he eats a rabbit it is his own business. If he asks for $5000 that's fine too. If he makes it a condition he will eat a rabbit if he can't raise the money, that's fine. But if he can be found to present the condition under the presumption that the act will render unhappiness or anger and moderation conditional transfer - yes. </p> <p>Fine line, but he's crossing it. Though getting a DA to file the indictment is UNLIKELY. These things cost money, and the DA will weigh the value vs other crimes that must be prosecuted. DA time is limited.</p> Technically, it is extortion if the subject “makes a demand” and such demand is for money or property not otherwise owed, and failure to act results in a behavior meant to intimidate, injure, cause emotional or psychological harm, or other related duress to the person so threatened.

So yes, if he eats a rabbit it is his own business. If he asks for $5000 that’s fine too. If he makes it a condition he will eat a rabbit if he can’t raise the money, that’s fine. But if he can be found to present the condition under the presumption that the act will render unhappiness or anger and moderation conditional transfer – yes.

Fine line, but he’s crossing it. Though getting a DA to file the indictment is UNLIKELY. These things cost money, and the DA will weigh the value vs other crimes that must be prosecuted. DA time is limited.

]]> By: wfrantz http://williamfrantz.com/wp/64/comment-page-1#comment-11638 wfrantz Sat, 05 May 2007 00:58:43 +0000 #comment-11638 <p>I didn't say that killing a rabbit is wrongful use of force. I said the author's threat to kill a rabbit is intended to induce fear in the audience. Based on the verbiage of the Hobbs Act, it is clearly illegal to induce fear in attempt to coerce donations.</p> I didn’t say that killing a rabbit is wrongful use of force. I said the author’s threat to kill a rabbit is intended to induce fear in the audience. Based on the verbiage of the Hobbs Act, it is clearly illegal to induce fear in attempt to coerce donations.

]]> By: Tim Shepard http://williamfrantz.com/wp/64/comment-page-1#comment-11637 Tim Shepard Sat, 05 May 2007 00:15:33 +0000 #comment-11637 <p>In what way is killing a rabbit the wrongful use of force, etc..? You are mentally defective guy.</p> In what way is killing a rabbit the wrongful use of force, etc..? You are mentally defective guy.

]]> By: William Frantz http://williamfrantz.com/wp/64/comment-page-1#comment-2458 William Frantz Fri, 26 May 2006 19:29:21 +0000 #comment-2458 <p>I don't really care if the rabbit gets eaten or not. I've eaten rabbit before and I don't consider it cruelty to animals. However, I do think the whole situation is an interesting legal conundrum.</p> <p>Despite Joe Mickels' eloquent rebuttal, I'm still inclined to believe that author of savetoby has committed fraud by intentionally presenting a misleading definition of extortion.</p> I don’t really care if the rabbit gets eaten or not. I’ve eaten rabbit before and I don’t consider it cruelty to animals. However, I do think the whole situation is an interesting legal conundrum.

Despite Joe Mickels’ eloquent rebuttal, I’m still inclined to believe that author of savetoby has committed fraud by intentionally presenting a misleading definition of extortion.

]]> By: Joe Mickels http://williamfrantz.com/wp/64/comment-page-1#comment-2240 Joe Mickels Wed, 24 May 2006 21:40:47 +0000 #comment-2240 <p>dude your a **** moron that guy that runs save toby is a **** genius cause its not really fraud or extortion i mena i will give you this if killin the rabbit and not eating him after than yes that is in fact a crime but if you do eat him it really isnt its basicall finding a rabbit as described in the save toby website and bringing him to a butcher to be killed and packaged and than taken home to eat than no sir that is not illegal and with that i rest my case you lame ****</p> dude your a **** moron that guy that runs save toby is a **** genius cause its not really fraud or extortion i mena i will give you this if killin the rabbit and not eating him after than yes that is in fact a crime but if you do eat him it really isnt its basicall finding a rabbit as described in the save toby website and bringing him to a butcher to be killed and packaged and than taken home to eat than no sir that is not illegal and with that i rest my case you lame ****

]]> By: Dawn http://williamfrantz.com/wp/64/comment-page-1#comment-2049 Dawn Thu, 18 May 2006 15:19:01 +0000 #comment-2049 <p>"The owner of the website at savetoby.com is threatening to kill and eat a rabbit unless visitors donate $50,000. "</p> <p>Who cares if he kills and eats a rabbit? It's like saying.. I'm going to let someone else kill a chicken and then I'll go to KFC and eat it later!</p> <p>It would be much worse to say I'm going to kill this rabbit and end its life and then toss it away w/out utilizing its dead body at all unless you give me 50k!! </p> <p>He's killing it, he's consuming it. I kinda lived by that as a child in Illinois with a hunting father. We killed it, we ate it. It's a better way of doing things if you're a carnivore =)</p> “The owner of the website at savetoby.com is threatening to kill and eat a rabbit unless visitors donate $50,000. “

Who cares if he kills and eats a rabbit? It’s like saying.. I’m going to let someone else kill a chicken and then I’ll go to KFC and eat it later!

It would be much worse to say I’m going to kill this rabbit and end its life and then toss it away w/out utilizing its dead body at all unless you give me 50k!!

He’s killing it, he’s consuming it. I kinda lived by that as a child in Illinois with a hunting father. We killed it, we ate it. It’s a better way of doing things if you’re a carnivore =)

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